Saturday, November 26, 2016

Read the Headline, Believe It
(aka, where do you get your information?)


For me, facebook is 80% echo chamber. Of my fb friends, the most vocal ones are fairly liberal. Many do not express (or react to) political views at all, and just a few are conservative.

From the conservative side, I have heard many objections about how they are portrayed by anti-Trumps: as “dumb,” callous, racist, and worse. I myself, in the emotional meltdown after Nov. 8, admittedly felt that Trump voters were, at the least, gullible, and at the worst, “deplorable.”


I do not think that Trump voters are dumb or callous, and I am willing to believe that only a small percentage are racist.


But what about gullible? It’s a loaded word, with connotations of weakness and ignorance, so let’s say “easily swayed” by declarations that fit one’s world view.


We are all like that, by the way, progressives, centrists, and traditionalists—it is common for us to accept an unsupported fact as long as it fits in with what we already believe. Ever since I have been harping on sources and facts so vocally, more than one person has halted me in the middle of reading a news item to say, “Hold on, Sarah, where is this from? Have you confirmed it?” And I laugh, then I get defensive for a moment and try to weasel my way out of hypocrisy, then I stop and say they’re right. (Then I check the source.) (Keep keeping me honest, friends!)


Education



It has been reported that education was a diagnostic factor in the 2016 vote (http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/11/09/behind-trumps-victory-divisions-by-race-gender-education/). According to that link, among all voters, a college degree was +9 points for Clinton, and non-college was +8 points for Trump. Among the white voters, the divide was even wider: college +4, non-college +39.


Further, a prominent element of the Republican stand on many issues is distrust of science and academia.


Which—come on—I just don’t get. It is so ass-backward. Someone please explain to me how it makes sense to distrust those with more education?


I believe it is logical to assume a correlation between lack of education and being easily swayed. (I have not found a study on this.) Education involves learning how to find sources, how to sift through information, how to collate data, and how to test hypotheses. Those who have not learned how to do these things would be more susceptible to false sources, inconsistent information, misleading data, and bogus hypotheses (http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/11/25/1603978/-Fake-news-network-tried-to-write-fake-news-for-liberals-but-they-just-never-take-the-bait?).


But do those who are less educated necessarily understand that they know less? The Dunning–Kruger effect is “a cognitive bias in which … individuals suffer from illusory superiority, mistakenly assessing their ability as much higher than it really is” (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect).


So Trump voters are defensive (and have some cause to be), less educated (which is not a value judgment, just a fact), and unwilling to trust those with college educations.


How can those of us who are more educated (eg, Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton) bridge this distrust?

Finding an Opponent



I posted an article recently about trying to have a discussion with someone you disagree with (http://intertwingled.org/separating-stories/). The writer was a liberal talking with a conservative. (I use these terms loosely, but you know what I mean.)


The writer’s experience and mine are similar. When I have had a chance to discuss an issue (let’s say “X”) calmly with a Trump voter (rare as that may be), we start with opposing views and some jockeying for position, which usually involves irrelevant attacks on the Clintons. When I make it clear that I am not interested in lionizing the Clintons and also, we were talking about X, I try to steer toward the known facts, hunting for some that we share (such as Trump’s public statements, which you would think are indisputable).


So far, that’s as far as I’ve gotten. I’ve had people immediately agree with me and defend themselves by saying they were voting on the issues, not the man (which is weird but I can get past it). I’ve had people say they don’t have time right now but would love to discuss it later (I take them at their word). I’ve had people turn out to have been playing devil’s advocate, which I applaud because it helps me delve into the issues, but a fake devil is not what I seek.


(I had one discussion with a family member that was somewhat fruitful, but without that person’s permission to discuss it here, I won’t.)


Since late summer, I have been looking (on Facebook) to find some understanding of the Trump voters, and it still eludes me. Once I get toward discussing the meat of the issues (in particular, racism), we find no common ground.


At one point, I was told that the instances of racism reported nationally are blown out of proportion by the press. I have a responsibility, given my vocal skepticism of news sources, to look into that possibility. My first forays suggest that the “don’t believe the liberal news media” attacks include that meme (ie, racism is overblown); I have more investigation to do.


So why is this well-informed opponent so hard to find?

• because of the echo chamber? certainly

• because she does not exist? I hope not

• because as soon as the discussion turns to facts, he sees that I am better informed and bails? sometimes

• because I suffer from the reverse of the Dunning–Kruger effect? (“high-ability individuals may underestimate their relative competence and may erroneously assume that tasks which are easy for them are also easy for others”)

• because unlike liberals, conservatives are more easily swayed? hmmm

• because I have not found her yet?


Please help me find those conservatives who are really willing to talk about the issues, by sharing this. I am not looking for clicks on my blog, honest; I just am trying to find my way out of the echo chamber toward a better understanding of the 48% who voted for Trump.


And please help me refine this blog by commenting or just noting on the facebook notification that you read it. I admit it, I need an audience to generate the energy to continue!

3 comments:

  1. I also am perplexed. As a resident of the fly-over country I can tell you there is awful anger that is mostly illogical and is destroying logic. It seems that everything they hear and read is set to inflame the emotions and defy logic. It seems in some ways to remind me of the
    possi comittiss(sorry about the spelling)That group was popular in the 80's. The farm losses expanded membership and goofy ideas. More tomorrow.

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  2. comment from David Mazzola (via fb messenger):
    I read it Sarah and found it put together quite well. I am always willing to engage in conversation within the confines of the time I have allotted in my busy day for such things Lol. You have offered much food for reflection, and of course I see things I agree with and others that I disagree. I am trying to understand your personal perspective and from there some of your assumptions regarding the theoretical Trump voter indicated by some of the statistics you offered; I find it interesting how you see the logic in being uneducated and easily swayed (I don’t necessarily disagree) because I also see it’s logical dialectic in that sometimes one who becomes educated becomes more hardened to the beliefs and assumptions through a psychological propensity to become laser like focused through their particular brand of training and the group-think they become absorbed, finding it difficult to break out of the packaged box to see things differently. I think both sides of the dialectic are real, I have observed them among my educated and non-educated friends and even myself from time to time LOL… Both types of folks in my view (less-educated) versus (more-educated) can become locked within their respective paradigms, perhaps unable to see reality for what it is rather than for what they (want it to be). I guess what I am suggesting is the “Dunning–Kruger effect” may strike both groups in different ways. Of course I don’t disagree that becoming educated one learns how to research more affectively and to perhaps gather-the-facts to try and discern reality. But like all human endeavors one’s personal world-view will still always leak into the psyche, even the educated person will read the studies, churn through the books and watch the videos etc. that tend to agree with their world-view. And even if willing to be open-minded and be informed form (the other side) will wrestle with the information within their own intellectual realm, placing differing burdens of proof upon (facts) and (information) that may be relevant for the opposing view point. I guess what I am saying; we still need to be aware we could be wrong Lol!!!


    Great blog, as you know I am a Trump supporter and will be willing to engage as time allows. I think one mistake we all make is to lump folks together into categories and groups in ways that have solid borders. For example I am a Trump voter, but progressive on many social issues, more conservative on foreign policy I suppose, libertarian on issues of privacy etc.… I observe that my friends on the left are masters at slicing and dicing people into all sorts of categories, race, gender, social-economic status etc. and that is ok certain times for particular challenges perhaps. But I think many of my friends don’t use that assessment as a short term tool but as a long term viewpoint on life, and experience. And I think that is a grand mistake, harms unity much more than promotes tranquility among folks. I believe different people can agree on the very same issues but PRIORITIZE them in vastly different orders! So in the grand scheme they basically agree but in the realm of politics and important issues vastly disagree. Anyway I need to get back to work, break is over.
    ~~~~David M.

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